Another reason why this Formovie, I mean, listen, they, you know, they, they, they did it the right way. And, as it turned out, you know, there was kind of a top tier projectors that were all in the first case, it was the Formovie which had this B&W sound system and it's Bowers and Wilkins. JavaScript is disabled. Chaney's Tech Talk. Right. Witty: Women In Tech Talk To Yasmin. Chris knows his stuff and is possibly one of the most familiar people with this product type out of the entire panel of judges as well. there was another question in here. But we're talking about projectors that in many cases are twice as bright. AVS Forum Tech Talk with Scott Wilkinson 3,756 views Streamed live on Apr 26, 2022 245 Dislike Share Save AVS Forum 25.3K subscribers Episode 1 Guests: Sean Olive and Joel Silver Hide. I was like, there's no way this is coming out of this thing. One thing that I thought about was how do you, what do you use for a reference for a TV, for daytime viewing? So, I had a process that I could explain to basically calibrate those projectors by eye selecting in essence, the brightest mode that we could, and then tuning it from there to more or less get close to our reference projector, which was the JVC that we had in the, the opposite room in terms of just, just in terms of color, color, tone, color, balance, white balance, and, you know, to some degree, of course contrast and, and, and, contrast and brightness. So that was both for HDR and for SDR. The Hisense L5G is the only unit here that does come bundled with the screen. So, you know, obviously it's, it's a lot of the same stuff as you go from, from, each mode to one mode to another mode, but, a lot of, some of it is different. Yeah. No, it really performed. We had to put it in of course, in a separate room because you can't have a tremendous amount of light spilling on that screen, but, we had it in an attached room where you could look through the Archway and as the guys, you know, in terms of where this was, you saw the picture of the guys looking at me at the desk, right. And just to give a little more context, Formovie is the second largest. Tech Talk Audio Forum Topics Latest Activity My Subscriptions Photos Page of 20 Filter That's, that's some, one place where you can get a good sense of it. And it was not, it was not something that we sort of did lightly. Excellent. It is one of the Chinese brands, the Epson of course, Samsung, LG and Optoma. And more importantly, the laser TV showdown. I mean, we are, we're often competitors, you know, we work for different publications or whatever, but when we come together at a trade show or an event like this, we're, we're often very collegial. It's something that we always wanted to do at projector central. 1,127 views Streamed live on Oct 11, 2022 52 Dislike Share Save AVS Forum 26K subscribers. You know, if someone wants to really turn out the lights and watch a movie, you know, we have a basic idea of what a projected image is supposed to look like in a dark room. Then with these guys and not necessarily during the competition, because I really tried to remove myself. JOIN; . Yeah. I mention actually mentioned that when we went to dinner that night talking about the like recap and everything, it would've been helpful to like, I think that would've been helpful to not know which one you were looking at, but considering the nature of how it's an ultra short throw and the fact that you have to set it up and you have to get, it would be difficult to hide what it is cuz it's literally right there in front of you and you can look down and probably tell aside from that , another thing from those of us who are familiar with some of these brands, you can tell the menu system you'll know exactly what somebody pops it up, which one? And, I figured, you know, I think we're gonna need something to be able to look at to kind of get the judges grounded so that they would know if something is more or less accurate in terms of color tone in terms of white balance. Hisense views this as a television. Um, I was actually impressed with how close some of them were during the day, testing or the bright room testing. And my, my, assistant editor when I was the editor of AVS Forum. So it's funny how some of the brands take it to that next level where they want it to sound fantastic. So, you know, there was no reason to really include it from. But, yeah, we didn't want the guys, we just wanted the guys looking at the picture, you know, and, and, and, and judging it on picture quality. I can't find them on SPOTIFY. There was a lot of learning on this one, needless to say, but that we could take into next year. And, the LG came in second, and so on. Oh, Yeah. What does that mean for you as the customer? Put some cardboard around each one. However, I was not aware of what the criteria was going to be. And what's funny is, this is not something you would know from the scorecards, but we actually had planned on putting the BenQ just for the sake of it, just for fun up against some of the trial laser projectors to see how it held up. So my preconceived notions were just based off of an overall experience with the items. Very good. And we still think it's a phenomenal unit. As an authorized dealer for the product you are looking at, ProjectorScreen.com is bound by certain agreements with our manufacturer partners in how we display, price and sell certain products. And it's, you know, I did not necessarily think it was gonna win. Maybe just put a happy meal box in front of it or something. Yeah. I do have to say I was not the only thing that didn't surprise me at all was the Vava Chroma because I had issues with it myself, but I didn't expect for it to perform as low as it did in the testing. Save 5% on both. Even minorly calibrated, like even a little bit. Yes. The triple laser projectors are really all intended to, most of them anyway, are intended to exceed 100% DCI-P3 color gamut. I like this one. They were fantastic. And as it turns out, there is one projector out of the 14 that we tested that you can hook up a powered sub to, that's the Optoma P2. Add more items and build out your entire home theater to SAVE BIG! 1 Home Entertainment Tech Resource. Interesting. And then, you know, call it the way it is. We wanted to share that live podcast with you. Rob, nice to see you again. Yeah. So, yeah, it's an issue with that one. Yeah. There's, it's, it's a fantastic event, but one of the things that we did that I think was we intentionally did different is the goal of ours was not necessarily to crown a king out of a small pool of top performers. Yes. Was that conscious or was that because that's all there's available? Yeah. so there were six judges, I believe, Majestic, you were one of them. So, you know, HDMI has a handshake process. I mean, they were, they were really awful. So, you know, I feel that , one, yes, we did want people to understand how they compare against each other, but the goal of this, at least from my perspective, was to not name the best, but was to educate people to the point of popcorn about all of the different options and how they compare with each other. This is the one and only projector that B&W's been involved with. But again, they're, they're designed for a different thing. The show's not gonna actually start yet. CATV Tech Talk. And, I think that's great. And I don't think many, many have, and we're gonna talk about that in the middle. And, I think the industry has been looking for the right terminology for it. It's obviously something like black, level's gonna be better, that kind of thing. This week, Phil reviews the JVC NZ7 and NP5 4K projectors, Doug goes 'high end' with the Peristen Audio S-Series 5.1 speaker system and 'affordable' with the Denon AVC-X3800H AV receiver. Oh, I'm sure you will. So in this case, we wanted to make sure we put some content up that would challenge, challenge the projectors to actually reproduce above and beyond what we'd call a Rec.709 standard definition, gamut. Sure. Oh, good. And, so, any one of you want to jump in and, and tell us a little bit about some of these criteria and how, how important they are. You know, I go back to that Value TV shootout again, where there's a, there's a $30,000, you know, reference monitor sitting there. Forum app Now in particular, the critical part about that piece of equipment was that it is a, it's a full 18 gigabit per second bandwidth, so that we didn't have any trouble with truncation or, or any kind of compression. That's always gonna be a top priority, right. But it was very interesting to see them side by side, because as I was mentioning earlier, when you're seeing the projector by itself, you think it looks okay until you see it next to sitting directly next to another projector, it looks significantly better. And then I guess, adjusting the other scores accordingly. But what we also realized, as we looked at the numbers was that you had this sort of average in the middle that was sort of pulling everything down and became, we didn't want that to be taken as a, as a comment on the category, per se. I meant Chris, are you talking to me? And I didn't take it at that granular level, you know, that Rob had put together for the ballots and the judges to scrutinize on those independent types of criteria. It is just a way to stay grounded. So that's a missed opportunity for these brands. And like I said, it was, this was a very unbiased test and none of the judges believed it. In this weeks episode, I discuss a little bit more about myself, the Avs chances to make the playoffs, and what the Matt Duchene injury means for the team . And, and what we haven't really talked about is where do these USTs fall in the grand scheme of projection, right? JavaScript is disabled. Join us as Scott Wilkinson hosts Andrew Jones Chief Speaker Designer at MoFi Electronics This is deep dive discussion of Andrew Jones previously of KEF, pio. I was expecting, even maybe, the Samsung to take the second or third spot or something like that , but it really was impressive. And Chris Majestic of Majestech that's your YouTube channel. And, you know, Chris, I love hanging out with you, but Sammy Prescott, he's like on a whole other level, man, Sam, Sammy Prescott, like, so, and Chris Eberly, you know, Al Griffin, all of these guys, fantastic group of people. So, that to me was really the best one, but really right below it were several other projectors, including the ones that had been designed with Harman Kardon systems. It's been fantastic. And he began working for us earlier this year, doing reviews and calibrations and, and other types of things. We traveled to display week. And just to piggyback real quick, I'll keep it short, off of what you said about the L9G because I'm a big fan of the 100L9G. Yeah. Please talk about the 100L9G so people can leave me alone. Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Alan Perry, which is the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Listen Notes, Inc. You can use our website to search 2,990,576 podcasts and 151,386,519 episodes by people . That'll work. HCX allows the migration and vMotion between your on-premises VMware environment and your Azure VMware environment. The podcast will be live at 4 pm Eastern on the AVSForum YouTube channel. Yes. Some of them, some of them do. So Appotronics is a partner with Fengmi slash for me, Rob is correct, but they are also a partner in Chowme, which is a separate company. I've participated in a number of his shootouts through the years. Right, right. Right. . So, really it came down to what's available. Great. so much to the point where almost any other threat or conversation about USTs, someone would chime in about the T1. Editor in chief of Sound And Vision. I mean, Brian was talking about the fact that it was based on essentially the same platform as the Fengmi T1, which was released earlier, I guess, it was late last year. Right. We are known for our expert analysis, unfiltered opinions, and fearless podcast hosts. My apologies. And we've got a few pictures from the process itself, graphics five through nine we'll show those as we're talking here. Join us as we relive the 2022 TV shootout results with Robert Z. I get it. And of course, black level and shadow detail, which is always gonna be critical, whether you're looking at 4k content, 4k HDR or SDR content. Tech Talk with Alan Perry on Apple Podcasts 12 episodes "Tech Talk" is a two-hour tech-focussed radio talkshow broadcast live from 10:05am-Noon PT on Saturdays on C-FAX 1070 Radio in Victoria, BC, Canada. And I had people in a comment section like, oh, this must have been sponsored by this company and blah blah. And finally, we have Chris Majestic, a YouTube tech influencer who was involved in the, in the showdown. a 6,500, Kelvin, white balance, which is a neutral gray that all of the productions are made to. Proudly made in the U.S.A. Why do I need to contact you in order to place my order? Like it's, it's so many different questions on ways that you can do some kind of a comparison, but it's so difficult because like I said, one of these projectors in a room by itself looks fantastic. It's a, it's a, it's a tough job. but they were clearly a step down from those other products in tier one. Right. I really thank you for having me here. yeah, it's very, very, very slow sync for that projector. Maybe you can, help us understand exactly how that worked. Um, not coming with a screen, as you know, as Brian mentioned, that's stuff that people have to take into account and it's like, well, if I can get this Formovie Theater, if I can get past the name, maybe I'll be, I could be happy with this thing and buy a screen to save the money that I would've spent on the projector itself and get a nice screen, you know, or something along those lines or another, or a sound system to go with it or whatever. I guess I've always thought that one definition of a TV was having a tuner and having speakers actually, right. It may kind of be a similar thing that may be causing that same issue, but it was like, it was a really, really, I keep saying this, but it was a fantastic experience seeing them side by side and getting into the results. It was nice meeting you and I hope to be on another one of these live streams. So it is a tremendous lost opportunity among these manufacturers to not have some kind of a Subwoofer output on these projectors. With little recourse at this point all you can really hope for is no more . Locked on Cavs is hosted by Chris Manning (@cwmwrites, DIME on UPROXX, SB Nation's Fear the Sword) and Evan Dammarell (@AmNotEvan, Meta's Right Down . Yeah. Leaves Warehouse within 5-10 Business Days, Leaves Warehouse within 3-5 Business Days. I put the tier two products, they were just a little bit less dynamic in some cases had less bass, maybe didn't image as well. And when you're doing a video and you're talking about these products and you have to say ultra short throw laser projector, 25 times in a video, it's way easier to say laser TV. But the problem is that the Optoma is the only one that allows you to use the volume control to allow the subwoofer and the audio output to track with the volume control. AV Podcast - 28th November 2022. Sure I'm sure that may very well have happened. And Rob Sabin from projector central.com. & A.P.O Boxes, Mention code Coming from sound and vision magazine. Well, well, not exactly, really. Covering the latest technology developments since 2005, TWiT.tv (This Week in Tech) has the unique distinction of being one of the world's first all-tech podcast networks. So it was kind of like it was difficult to score. So you can, you can, in that situation, I think you can probably safely say, okay, that's a 10, that reference is a 10 and we're gonna judge accordingly. Yep. Or your surround sound in conjunction with that , obviously you may not have everything matched perfectly, but at the end of the day you have a much easier to install solution. And, it's amazing. Identification. Double T 97.3. Yeah, but we're gonna do a show, in three weeks from now. I mean, it was Herculean. So jumping back to the whole thing about them coming out of nowhere, maybe in the United States, but not globally, but not in China. Good. You'll expect to hear from me again. yeah, him, Ralph Potts, Al Griffin from Tech Radar. You can see these results by the way, on ProjectorScreen.com before we go. You know, one of the benefits of doing this at projector screen was that we had the facility well in advance and he was able to kind of just go through it and tick it off. So once it was all calibrated up and everything was ready to go, there were six judges who came in, Majestic. A lot of sound bars that are 40 inches wide can't even do that. It's gonna be pretty interesting. I have to say, you know, we were all able to kind of look back at it and go, okay, that yellow looks, you know, more or less correct. Yep. They all have audio, just to be clear about that. Yeah. And then you look at it and sometimes you look at it and you go, how'd we get there, you know, and you start doing what you gotta do. And I really love that about our industry. You, you calibrated, or you evaluated these projectors in three different, shall we say environments modes, it was a bright room, lots of light on, in the room. It absolutely did. Scott Wilkinson will be live today at 1pm Pacific/4pm Eastern 6/28/22 with Chuck Back of Trinnov to discuss 3D Spatial Audio and Room Correction. so it's, it's really two different animals, but. Right. I think we looked at it in 24 P but in particular for the, in particular for the bright room modes, that was all about, you know, kind of 60 Hertz, you know, 1080 eye content, Yeah. So, you know, Vava did a really good job of building the height machine and their original projector was one of the first economical laser USTs and it was tremendously popular. Wait, you know, trying to see some differences between these projectors. Right. 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I did pop in a little bit and check out what they were looking at, but, you know, it was the dinners afterwards. And then the show after that is gonna be with some people who were at the show. Right. And it's a big issue. Oh wait, where am I gonna put my center channel? He's actually a very prolific contributor on AVS Forum, named Dave Harper. Well, it used to be Majestech, so sometimes you'll see Chris Majestic, sometimes you'll see Majestics but I still use both. There's gonna be other aspects of the image quality that are gonna be different. So these things are still calibrated from the showdown the shootout. And as you say, difficult to impossible to truly calibrate under those conditions and that's for standard dynamic range and then standard dynamic range, dark room where you turn the lights off, I guess, and that's kind of more of a, a semi reference environment. AVForums Podcasts Listen to the AVForums Podcast radio show and watch the AVForums video productions with Home Cinema and Movie news and reviews plus exciting features and interviews 1 2 3 29 Filters Podcast Schedule 2022 Phil Hinton Jan 27, 2022 Replies 0 Views 4K Jan 27, 2022 Phil Hinton We're gonna be doing a lot of the same things, things that we did that you guys already did before with the judges, as well as Rob, the, the competition that you guys set up, what I wanted to do and you guys nailed it on the head is just basically make it a completely blind type of decision. I will say that but it was it, I was really just, there was no way I could have predicted these scores at all. Thanks so much. So wrote a really cool trip coming up. You were kinda looking at the more affordable consumer products. right. So that's their laser TV. Right. I mean, you know, they're, they're functioning very well as televisions in this. Mention code So, and I understand why people are blowing up Chris's comments and asking about the L9G, right. What he had to do. We take the quality of the messages posted on forum as seriously as our articles. Is that how you say that? Thought? I love you. Right. And I'll tell you what, Scott, it was an outstanding system really, really good from a music standpoint, just incredible clarity, great midrange clarity, great high end extension, beautiful open sound. The Podcast Host - Helping you launch, grow & run your show But how does it hold up, you know, with color accuracy, do you use an LG OLED? And I just kind of was like trying to help them to get it together. however, my inclination may be that because it, had comparable contrast ratio of, you know, around 1100 to one that many of the non-ALPD units had that the units with the stronger contrast, such as the Formovie and the LG, you know, that may have aided the perception of quality in some of the other criteria that the judges saw as well. I don't believe laser engine in any of the other projects. And when they came out with the Chroma, like the demand and the excitement around that was astronomical. Right. If you're interested in any of these ultra short throw projectors, don't hesitate to give us a call. So I was definitely thrilled to work with them. One of the major ways in which AVS promotes sharing of research and development findings in the science and technology community is through the annual AVS International Symposium and numerous chapter, division, group events and topical conferences throughout the year. So, you know, my hat goes off to Dave because he did just an awesome job of optimizing these projectors. If you want a really big screen TV, like in the a hundred inch range or so this is a much more cost effective way to do it than buying a hundred inch flat panel. Plus, once it's live we'll be sure to include the video right here. We, we were able with that , those devices to essentially copy the EDIDs that we needed to make sure that the system as a whole and the sources as a whole, everybody knew, they all knew that it was okay to send their highest quality signal in particular, the Kaleidescape would've shut itself down and only given us SDR if we hadn't had that. and of course we had the JVC in the other room and that's $16,000 and a completely different animal. They make the light engine, they make the laser, the ALPD light engines, which is really what all these DLPs have been relying on to get their images out. We'll have to see how that , you know, we get it figured out for next year. Some items may not be able to be advertised below a certain price or any pricing at all and others may not be able to be added to a shopping cart via an add to cart button. So, you know, one, we had the gear from AV Pro Edge, which was insanely valuable, but then we had the brain power of both Rob Sabin and Dave Harper that were able to make everything work. I just wanna make one comment here too. In the odd chance you don't know, Paul Barton is the Founder & Chief Designer PSB Speakers. And, you know, it's interesting a lot of my experience with this, or at least running this event, you know, I have to give my put pats off to Value Electronics and what Robert Zahn has done through the years. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. All of my projective reviews are completely honest and I was like, what is going on here? In this case, we had guys, you know, had guys like, like Sammy Prescott, who is, you know, one of the great JVC calibrators out there who has, you know, does nothing but premium, high end projectors looking at it from one perspective, you got a guy like Chris here who has looked at a number of these USTs and has a different perspective on the category as a whole. But anyway, Rob, you mentioned that you also had a, what you might call a reference projector, right? 24.7K subscribers AVS Forum Tech Talk with Scott Wilkinson Display Week 2022 Check out the bi monthly (2x Month) AVS Forum tech talk with our special host Scott Wilkinson. It's not like the value electronic shootout, where they have a broadcast monitor sitting there in, and amongst the contenders of the shootout and everything basically, you were trying to see how close those images on the contenders came to that monitor. 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