ABCs own hired consultant, who appears to have no dog in these fights, asserted that he could find no reasonable explanation for these claims and that he considers the upgraded P320 pistols safe for sale to law enforcement and the public. Here is a movie that he filmed 40 years ago and he was still raking it in. In this version, Bridge City Officer Brittany Hilton tells her story of what she says happened when her P320 discharged as she was carrying it in her purse in what appears to be a SERPA holster (which has had its own problems, but thats another story). Police Department, was wounded when his P320 duty gun discharged without a trigger pull while he was carrying it in a gym bag wrapped carefully with a cloth. Officer Collette was wounded in his left leg. and it did not have issues without the extractor. A fellow kept his DA revolver in the desk. Yaaay! Dont care for them, not my jam. But I hope Sig fights it until the bitterest of ends. They habitually use their customers as the product testers by selling what are essentially prototypes while quietly implementing rolling revisions. Another possible cause is using light loads where the slide isn't cycling far enough to hit the ejector. Again the Far Right Stupidity and hypocrisy is infinite. Feel free to contact me if you have any problems. It somehow moved to the hinges of the desk. After all, there are limits on complying with Rule 2 and even Rule 3, because a gun muzzle is ALWAYS covering something, somewhere, and ALWAYS knowing what lies beyondperhaps FAR beyonda possible target is an impossibility. LOL! My elderly aunt drove her Volvo into a parked car, and the yard behind it, and the house behind that, while she was pressing the brake as hard as she could. Strangely the car kept accelerating, almost as if she were flooring the gas pedal. That focus drifts. Yes (7) Inspected the extractor? I called Sig and the rep said the X5 is designed to do exactly that, blow out the extractor to save other vital parts, whenever there is an over pressure situation. I would trust the intelligence of a Gorilla in a zoo before any one in the Far Right. The latest of these suits was filed last week in US District Court in Massachusetts. While good firearms training and practices among law enforcement officers is certainly the case much of the time, weve seen far too many instances over the years of un-safe or downright dangerous practices by allegedly highly trained individuals to apply that kind of blanket endorsement to all cops or alphabet agency employees. If there were a defect in 320's, it would be all over the web. These officers are not gunfighters. I'm hoping this was a fluke due to a really weak casing - if anyone has any other thoughts please share. The standard P320 Compact magazine holds 15 rounds, but you can use higher-capacity magazines as well. Hey yall! Its just that with hundreds of millions of firearms in the hands of more than one-third of the countrys population including a lot of cops some number of negligent discharges will inevitably happen. My buddy took 1st place in the Delmarva championship with the X5 in CO. More testing is needed to be 100 percent sure but looks good so far. The 1911 had one added, the FN 1905 had one added in 1906. Yes including 3 factory loads and 5 different hand loads. She claims that her holstered P320 pistol went off while she was carrying it in her purse. Yeah, what he said . I think in the end even if there is no mechanical defect (dont hold your breath) it will be found that the Sig is causing accidental discharges for the same reason the Glock does, because if you snag the trigger on the Sig model that does not have a manual safety (some do) the gun will accidentally fire. Upgrades are for things that didnt work right in the first place. Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. Its pathetic how often these legal stunts work. I do not even know if sending it back to Sig at this point would tell me anything, as they are just going to test fire it with brass and tell me not to use steel case ammo.. Quick Reply to: If this were a car, a phone, a refrigerator, it would have been recalled long ago. This is the first time I have heard of the same happening with the subcompact. Then without any extra effort, the normal trigger pull caused the tab on the drop safety to sheer off. If it fails, you're kind of screwed. Sig Sauer has previously settled some lawsuits involving alleged discharges. Feed ramp was polished from use when it went out but looked freshly blued when it came back. Then Weve got to go 9mm Nato. And hasnt been nothing but looking for the holy grail since. The nose of the extractor does appear to be peened slightly, but this may be normal. Would you? Clear editor. Sig Sauer has also made other changes to the P320, including a new striker safety mechanism and a new disconnect safety. Charlton, headquartered in Victoria, B.C., for comment on its original story, but neither responded. ! only reveals ones immature emotional attachment to an inanimate object, which reveals a pretty childish worldview. They cant even make claim to doing a twice a year qual. Finger on the trigger and muzzle discipline are sometimes unheralded. 2. Or you would have to have enough slide play for the slide movement to physically disengage the sear and striker leg mating surfaces. These cops seem pretty dang stupid if they put loaded guns in gym bags and purses with other stuff and carry them around, especially a gun that lacks manual safeties. New extractor? We will respect the ongoing investigation and will not offer further comment at this time, Bineau said. You can post now and register later. I removed the extractor assembly and cleaned it thoroughly. Guess it hasnt dawned on them that: 1. In 1974 if you bought a Colt 1911, you left the gun store and then immediately took it to your favorite gunsmith and said Make it work it with Super-Vels, please. You cant get away with that today. Note the addition of ominous background music in the second seven-minutes-longer version (there was no music in the Good Morning America version). Occasional kabooms are a predictable outcome. Greatly decreases optic related issues Retains Optic. In the case of the 320, lightning is striking the same place an awful lot. Hilton's $15 million lawsuit said, "there have been 54 reported uncommanded discharges of the P320," meaning the gun went off by itself, over the last five years in 22 states and Washington, D.C. Sig Sauer did not respond to ABC News' request for comment. I'm not sure how long it is really going to take. Either one could have been a gun or a Barbie. You can feel the point when it binds, or sticks, even when manually operating the action slowly May 2 . Welcome aboard. It provides another example of how the gun free zone purportedly keeps people safe by not only keeping guns away, but by requiring more discharges nearby. Thats fine. I dont own a Glock or a SIG and am not a fanboy of either. With the 320, the striker is in full-cock position, and held there through the operation of the trigger sear and the positive striker-blocking safety. P320C .45. It was the same sort of progressively worsening extraction issues you describe. A full-length external extractor will measure greater than 1 inch. Also, N320/147g or N310/165g at125-130 pf are probably a good deal lower pressure than factory +P or +P+ loads, which should be safe to shoot in these guns. OK, in answer to all of the above questions. After some research, it appears the P320 Compact 9mm (and only the P320 Compact 9mm) has a known problem w/all weights of Blazer Brass. Powered by Invision Community. The problem with Sig is with their polymer pistols. It's bad enoughso much case is hanging out beyond the chamber face to headspace just below flush with the hood. There are several stories about her in the news for various no reasons, she must be throwing them out by a dozen. (It wasnt my gun). In the most recent legal action, Deputy Vadnais is seeking $10 million in damages and to have SIG Sauer recall the pistol. never got into the P320 It is to me a Range gun not a carry gun. This is actually another new Sig p320 RX, besides the 2 sig blow outs last match[emoji13]Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. SHORTBUS- As stated, used all of the other calibers and kits with both FCUs. He is acting as a consultant in the Collette suit that was filed last week. Sig . So I will just continue to carry Mexican style with my striker fired polymer wonder nine from a company that may or may not be SIG. They've also been adopted as duty guns by law enforcement agencies across the country. S Stiven Registered Joined Dec 25, 2020 10 Posts For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. How many times did Shatner actually watch it? Sig Sauer has settled at least one federal class action lawsuit involving the P320, involving pistols made before 2017, offering refunds or replacement guns to purchasers. One thing that I haven't see you state yet, when you LAMR do you go to slide lock and drop a round in the chamber, drop the slide, and load a full mag? Got my P320 in March 2015 so it was one of the earlier ones. Glocks biggest problem is they havent innovated since 1985. The round went downrange so nobody was hurt. N310 with 165gr? Six of those suits were brought by people serving in law enforcement when the gun fired. It might only take a little bridging in the powder drop so that a cartridge gets an extra .2gr. I still own them all. Sounds like most of these cases were off-body carry. $8.95. Member. Any gun, ANY GUN, that goes off as many times as the Sig P320 has and has been documented without a trigger being pulled is FAR FAR FAR from being a great gun. The new Kirk does suck. All the factory replacement corrosion-resistant parts to replace your P320 .45 AUTO extractor assembly. Watching all these Glock fan boys drool over these lawsuits in their tribal brand-lust is like watching the talking heads on CNN announcing Trump lost the 2020 election. Police officers do NOT get a lot of training unless theyre doing it on their own time at their own expense. Both were sent back to Sig and fixed. Personally they should have gone with the Glock, its not for me but is a proven gun. does your striker release out of battery? I have several thousand of this ammo on hand, and if I were to need to use to defend myself or my family, the gun should handle it. Had the issues where the round fired but the case failed to eject. I don't shoot it often but yesterday had fte problems intermittently. LIGHT LOADS? It's a little disappointing because I was a huge fan. They have similar vertical sear engagement, but the M&P has more engagement width wise. Same problems. Ran flawlessly. But as Officer Hilton says, There is no way anything could have gotten into my purseinto the trigger guard and pulled that trigger., This ABC report includes an interview with Joshua Harrison, a firearms expert hired by the network to examine the P320s design and give his opinion of its safety. Paste as plain text instead, Seems kind of like a Sig apologist article. Is there any major military anywhere that ever issued one of their guns? But then Im not a federal LE flunky who cant keep my booger hook off the bang switch, either. Unless they have to fire their weapon in an on-duty incident most officers only fire their weapons just before and/or at qualifications, which depending on the department are annual or semi-annual. As the round is stripped from the magazine it is pushed up the feed ramp and into the partially extracted round still hanging out the back of the barrel. . The pistol is popular with commercial gun owners and law enforcement south of the border. Nope. Lastly, ship-wise I have to go with the TMP-era refit Enterprise, regardless of Captain. Posted: 12/6/2016 11:11:53 PM EST. For instance theres Lieutenant Thomas Ahern who was was performing a routine function (test) of his P320 when it fired at him without any force towards the trigger, resulting in the bullet impacting his left thigh.. Send it back to Sig? The guys at the LGS saw only one broken striker but it confirmed what the manager who had the P320 go off and my thoughts. At rest, cocked, it may very well have enough oomph to set some primers off. The VIP screening with the meet and greet was like $600. sleepla8er. I cant stand Glocks but SIG P320s are junk. Glock is being sued too, because once loaded and a round is chambered, it also has a much lighter trigger than a DA/SA. You cannot paste images directly. And N310 is yet faster burning powder, where you are guaranteed higher peak pressure for the same velocity with the same bullet at the same OAL, and 165gr is yet a heavier bullet, where you get greater pressure increases per tenth of a grain of powder, so less forgiving. I dont own a P320. I am shooting reloaded ammo. So I see this asa manufacturer issue not an ammo issue. Since then I've done some searching on the internet and found people complaining about extractor issues. Theyre the only product that is not. Not much detail is provided in any of those other claimed incidents, but a few stand out. Yea, I already have the RA and the Fedex shipping label. They suck and Im awesome!, 2. Also some sport pistol at 132. To be sure, Ive informally asked every other owner of a Serpa holster when I meet them, whether they have ever had an ND because of the holster. Bagnell is representing a number of the police officers who have filed suits against SIG for un-commanded discharges, but wouldnt disclose the exact number. But it also has much worse quality control on the parts in my experience owning and working on both. I think making guns easy to shoot has gone too far. Do you have an FFL closer to you than the FedEx hub? I was having issues with my P320, failure to extract that started off as a single incident in a month, then increasing in frequency after. Repeat Failure To Eject malfunctions with a Sig P320 .40 destroy my end of year competition scores:/ Life's too short to be working a gun that's working against. Fourth, no one takes Taurus seriously. Thats SIGs term for a recall. Zero in the affirmative. His annual qualification consisted of shooting 32 rounds. After many years of testing, we've developed a replacement part that . A too light 1911 as some use in competition or God Forbid for carry- could jump the sear if dropped. The modular SIG P320 is among the most widely-owned handguns on the planet. The problem affecting the original P320 is what the gun industry calls an "unintended discharge," or as one lawsuit against Sig Sauer explains: "The weapon fires without a trigger pull.". Covid ruined that gravy train for him but hes still doing the conventions. The moral of all of this is the reason Sig got the military contract was because they were selling guns at close to cost, they underbid Glock by a significant margin. But this 9F will fail to extract a fired case about every 3rd or 4th mag. Heres the version of the report that ran later that night, during ABCs Nightline program . Powered by Invision Community. ( could just be standard answer for the question. I am still waiting for the UPS man (not from the devil but from Sig) I will not hold my breath. Well today was a great day for the wife as she had zero malfunctions with her gun! I call b-s on all these my gun magically went off. That said, I own multiple P320s, but all of them have the manual safety due to personal preference. congrats. Really? If the P320 was so great then why did special forces go to the Glock 19? The gun has a total of less then 500 rounds through it. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. Im not even sure I would do that with my 92 or something else that can be both decocked and locked. Bineau added the review is looking at so-called ancillary equipment (meaning the holster and other items) as one element of that broader investigation. But that doesn't excuse poor design and quality control. Once investigated a shot fired into a roll top desk. 3. Vihtavuori doesn't publish data for even N320 with a 147gr plated bullet, much less N310, so not only is this N310, it's with an even heavier 165gr bullet. Combine this with the complacency that comes with handling a firearm over-and-over again as you holster and unholster a firearm throughout the day, its not surprising that many of these officers are saying it just went off as a negligent discharge can cost them their job if it lead to serious injury or property damage. Anyway my question for $600 would be: Did you have your 3rd wife killed? The claim basically boils down to the notion that in normal, unconcerning operation, a foreign body entered the striker body. I'll keep you all posted. Whether or not the suits have merit. As a CPO gun, you have a 1year warranty from Sig. There is even someone on youtube who complained about it with two separate pistols. A lot like carrying a cocked and locked 1911 but with the safety off. Cars have so many electronics these days, who knows what could have gone wrong! If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Fair enough. Neither argument is relevant or very intelligent and certainly not useful. Almost like they used a revolver forcing cone cutter to give it a elongated mouth to enhance feeding. I know off body carry is a recipe for disaster. That's for the update. Trying to categorically say Brand X is better than Brand Y! Got a whole lot more than the handful you've got pictured too! The federal government intends to order up to 20,000 pistols for the military to replace its Second World War-era Browning Hi-Power handguns in a project that could be worth up to $50 million. I still love my Sig so I really hope everything works out. . If not sorry and GL! The SIG will be the shortest military contract for guns in history. 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