He made sure to wrap Zachary in a blanket (rather than a bag) and kept him as far away from Shirley's corpse as he could. Andrew assured his filmmaker friend Kurt that the 40-year-old was a passing fancy. I tried to console them, Snow says. KATE: You were always afraid that she was going to find something. If both parties dont recognize that, he says, then youve got trouble.. I just want to get through medical school.'. (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. Andrews said he was inspired to act two years ago when he saw the documentary film Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father. thing, because up until Andrew was murdered, I was a Pollyanna. In the fall of 2002, Turner and her lawyer agreed that the Bagbys should gain temporary custody of Zachary if Turner were sent to jail. Right? I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. Turner, a general practitioner, was 42 when she killed herself and her son. As Turner fought her extradition on murder charges, the Bagbys fought for custody of their grandchild. He said, `The psychotic bitch. But with special people, yes. We're churning. Once David completed his engineering degree, the Bagbys were intent on starting a family. was tragically killed by his mother, and thusjust like his fatherthe rest of the film focuses on the impact of his death. He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. This is a fascinating,horrific and humbling read. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. And Shears says his mother was good to him when he was a child. "It's a blur of emotion." We were in the way, I guess, of her trying to go to school. I said, `Andrew,' I said, `be serious. The Bagbys and their grandchild were living in a cramped apartment. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. Change is slow. With Shirley Turner out of jail it was time for the Bagbys to clench their teeth again. Except he picked up as this reporter was leaving a voicemail explaining the call from Newfoundland to Sunnyvale, Calif. There is only so much that Kurt could fit in an hour and a half and I learned so much more by reading things from David's own words. "Every time I saw Shirley I'd think, 'That's the finger that pulled the trigger on the gun that killed Andrew,'" says Kate. MORRISON: Was she taunting them, they wondered? On a shelf in the California home of David and Kate Bagby, sitting inconspicuously among some lovely china, are two urns. "In a small sense we have found some peace and contentment," says David. Mr. DAVID BAGBY: I threw the phone at the desk, and I jumped up and just screamed, `No! Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. As Kate and David talk about their son, you can see the teamwork. Was it a tight bond? MORRISON: How did you find out what happened, how he had been killed? This story broke my heart. Time for all of them to get together at McDonalds for Zacharys first birthday party. Some of her earliest memories are watching Survivor with her family and having everyone show off their best Jeff Probst impersonation. As the police closed in on Shirley Jane Turner, their sole suspect made it clear that she would not give up easily. Bagbys wondered if there might ever be an extradition hearing. Privacy Policy. Go away.'. Eventually, David and Kate broke up for good. What do you want it Mr. BAGBY: Very seriously. Woman #9: to make that journey was awful. Wasn't anybody willing to step up(besides the Bagbys) and try to rescue that baby?? You never know whats going to make you sit and cry for the day.. Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. To speed the process they agreed to conditions imposed by Turner, including that they be searched before every visit. It looked like an open-and-shut case but, before the police could arrest her, Turner fled over the Canadian border, back home to St John's, in Newfoundland. David Bagby has written such a poignant account of the sordid happenings and has brought both Andrew and Zachary alive on the pages. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. Once he discovered she was accused of killing a past boyfriend, he told officers, he tried to break off the relationship. I'm tired of this. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. I have some hope that telling this story in detail has a chance to cause change in the law, David says of his book. Absolutely riveting.i couldn't put it down, and was completely draw in and addicted. As the months slowly passed, the Bagbys visitation rights were expanded. In this brutally tragic true story a Father (David Bagby, author) and Mother deal with the slaying of their son by his ex-girlfriend. After seeing the documentary about this case, "Dear Zachary," I was itching to get my hands on this book. He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. David Bagby speculates that this was Shirley's idea of victory: when Andrew and Zachary both rejected her, she punished them. He was a happy baby, with strawberry-blond hair and Andrew's nose. get in there, if that's what she demanded. I just would love to see them enjoy regular life again, too, as much as possible. The watch was continued after a more comprehensive psychological exam. Father murdered. I had NO idea what the outcome was going to be. David was taking pictures, Kate says. "I will never forget that phone conversation as long as I live," says the former nurse, 66, who is originally from Rochester, Kent. We decided we have to go to Canada to watch the trial and we have to go to make sure the baby gets a good start, David says. Then, upon. "Kate and I are very close and that helps. The Bagbys thoughts soon turned from suicide. It soon became apparent who was responsible. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. Mr. SIMPSON: Things people should know about Andrew, he was never late. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. Did. MORRISON: But Andrew did agree to meet Shirley in a nearby park. The night was. Oh, my God. of a woman and a baby on the beach, and I lost it again. Then, on August 16, six weeks before Turner was to appear in court, the Bagbys went with her and Zachary to a swimming pool. Mommy loves you. Mr. BAGBY: I have a lot of trouble with those things too, and I suspect what really goes on, what's called intuition, is really a very, very complex calculation of lots of little indicators, little things that Andrew said on the phone maybe. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. Reviewed in the United States on October 1, 2022. is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. We decided that on the plane.. Another guy and I said, `Sure. Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. MORRISON: Life for Andrew Bagby was good. (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. A few weeks after, Zachary's birthday party, the Bagbys and Shirley took the toddler swimming, an, activity he usually enjoyed. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. A tragedy that could have been prevented. Well, I was hurt in an, accident. But that didn't erase their unease, or a remarkable feeling, (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; David), Mr. BAGBY: I considered killing her myself, seriously considered it. Or was this her, way of demanding that they suspend their critical faculties and declare their, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I don't know what to give Zachary. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. So we called, and he came over and told us that Zachary and Shirley were. A tale of sorrow and survival. One day he walked into the electronics shop where David worked. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. I dont know.. This quote is repeated over and over as Kuenne describes plenty of evidence of just that: fifteen-minute suicide watch while imprisoned, threatening to stab another inmate, restraining orders against Shirley by eight different people, previously attempting suicide on an ex-lover's property, etc. Serious crime is rare in this country. KATE: I thought, `Well, he's got to get out of this.'. They sometimes visited with Zachary and Turner as if nothing had happened. This is a fantastic book. Time to keep marching, as David says, in order to be there for their grandson. It pains me to award only two stars to a book written by David Bagby, but I want to use the Goodreads' ranking system more accurately. killing Zachary in a murder-suicide. Memorial University Medical School. Its rage with me, he says. And I know, you love me, and--yeah. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. Mr. BAGBY: What are you going to say that will MORRISON: And find something she did, going so far as telling, them that they had some anger issues which needed to be addressed by a, (Photo of Shirley; photo of Kate and David), Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) There has been, I guess, a lot of, uncomfortable feeling on both our parts. They did everything they could, and more than most would be able to try to find justice for their son, while trying to care for Zachary in the worst possible circumstances. He was in a little crib and David and I knelt down at his feet and he was just, beautiful.". Just before 6 a.m. the next day, a park visitor found Andrew Bagbys frost-covered body lying face down in the parking lot. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Andrew_Bagby_and_Zachary_Turner 314 [deleted] 5 mo. At first, visitation was limited to one wonderful, torturous hour a week with Zachary. For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. David Bagby vowed to "scream long and loud about that." He penned a book, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, released in 2007. Inspired by his mother's tales of interesting medical cases and wonderful patients, Andrew decided he would be a doctor. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. Some changes, including increased spending and a review of social worker training, have been made to the child protection system since the tragedy. thoughts, his wife sees something that rocks her to the core. "At some point in the future, a judge will see this and research it and I'm hoping that it will protect minor children.". "We never expected it. to live with his father in a tiny coastal village hundreds of miles away. Only Kate and David, MORRISON: Perhaps the most irksome part of the deal with Shirley. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a systems failure to prevent the death of a child. No question. Just from that, conversation, you could kind of get the sense that she didn't want Zachary, MORRISON: And for the Bagbys, Shirley issued what sounded somehow. The Bagbys couldn't have been happier, particularly since. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their year-old grandchild was killed in Newfoundland in 2003,the California couple hasn't bothered decking the halls, but now they're celebrating alegal victory in the case. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. After reading what happened to that poor innocent little boy I truly think that the people responsible for leaving him with his dangerous, violent suicidal mother should do hard time in prison. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. He was like, `Eh, mm.' IE 11 is not supported. Add a bio, trivia, and more. I would have to dream up some reason to go over, there in the middle of the night, to--for me to just appear on her doorstep, Mr. BAGBY: Turned out I wasn't. But he could not get rid of her.. David Bagby, 61, has written a book about much of it, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, scheduled for release late this month by Canadian publisher Key Porter Books Limited. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. to let out hints that Shirley Turner was the prime suspect. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. You know? Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot concedes defeat, Southern California home sales fall to all-time low, Denver just got a direct flight to this Caribbean island known for music history and vegetarian cooking, NYC Mayor Adams dismisses need to separate church and state, declares himself a servant of God, Zero-calorie sweetener linked to heart attack and stroke, study finds, Do Not Sell/Share My Personal Information. I said, `This woman was in town. IMDbPro Starmeter. That they survived such horrible adversity is a testament to their courage, resolve and love. When we met him, we just melted as if it was magic. Switch between reading the Kindle book & listening to the Audible narration with, Get the Audible audiobook for the reduced price of $7.49 after you. And now I want to read the book. Kate and David were robbed of their son and grandson, and the world was robbed of a great Dr. and person. Temptation Island: What Happened To David & Kate After Season 2? He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. the water. Zachary thought he could just walk. Neither speaks for the other. Copious evidence against Turner gradually came to light, and suspicion of her was compounded when she fled the country to her home in Newfoundland. What shocked fans the most was that Kate actually took David back, and the pair dated for a while after the show aired. Afterwards Turner ran off to Canada (she had duel citizenship) before Pennsylvania Cops could arrest her for Dr. Andrew Bagby's brutal murder. (Photo of Shirley; "Canada" on building; T.J. Shears walking), Mr. T.J. SHEARS: My mom was just like, `Oh, hey.' He was like Andrew. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their . Written by the father of the murder victim, you learn all the details that led up to his son's murder and the preventable murder of his grandson. Hed been shot five times. The couple were so scared of upsetting Turner and losing access to Zachary they forced themselves to be cordial. They have a mission to bring change from tragedy. When theyre telling their story, David will invariably ask Kate whether shed like to start a particular chapter, or should he? (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. I couldn't see the point anymore. He was developing a personality. After all the backlash he received for his behavior, however, his decision to step away from the spotlight isn't surprising. On Aug. 5, Turners social worker visited her apartment to check on Turner and Zachary. KATE: You get a different kind of relationship with God after this kind of. Mr. BAGBY: We were out shopping or something. HEATHER: I knew he'd been struggling with me moving on and dating other people. Meanwhile, Turner had a new obsession. (Canadian flags; Newfoundland; lake and coast; man in coat; photos of Shirley, and Zachary; Kate, David and Zachary; Shirley, Kate and Zachary; Supreme Court, building; photos of David, Kate, Zachary and Shirley), Mr. BAGBY: Dealing with Turner was like, I don't know, walking around with. The Bagbys hoping to gain custody of Zachary moved to Newfoundland and began a long, drawn-out battle in court and with Canadian social services to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. Is it OK? MORRISON: Andrew's best friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, suddenly, just knew what he had begun as a small film to memorialize his old friend. By the looks of it, the two are still together and happily living their lives as a couple. Shes Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale, she explains. It also analyzed reviews to verify trustworthiness. MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. I was truly shocked when I watched it. `You gave me a lovely son, and now it's over.'. Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. David expresses his intense rage and his intense patience with Turner superbly. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. Mr. BAGBY: And part of Andrew's problem was, I think, he was just too nice to say, you know, `Get the hell out of my life. 1 Nov, 2021 what character are you from encanto royal caribbean app features kelly ann cicalese . Initially, Andrew's close friend Kurt Kuenne, a filmmaker, intended the film as a personal memorial and scrapbook so that Zachary could know the kind of person his father was. The other, their grandson, Zachary Turner. It was a joy and Zachary was much loved, Kate says. Kate went to the floor, and I kicked the door and--oh, we, just--just like with Andrew, there's nothing you can do. Meanwhile, Kate and David's bond with Zachary grew stronger. MORRISON: You're in turmoil at that point. Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' 7:30 I'll be at your house.'. It didnt take Pennsylvania police long to put together a suspect and motive, according to the 1,100-page Turner Review and Investigation, which was commissioned by the province of Newfoundland. Not too long ago? (Photo of Shirley; Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary), Mr. SHEARS: There was a conversation one time she had with me and Erica, in, regards to if something ever happened to her and she had to go to jail or. (David; Kate and Zachary; Shirley and Zachary). At some point, police say, Turner tied the arms of her jacket together to lash Zachary to her as she walked carrying him. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. She worked as a doctor at the Memorial University of Newfoundland, in Canada, where Andrew trained. On Aug. 16, Turner and the Bagbys took Zachary swimming at Bowring Park in St. Johns, Newfoundland. She spends most of her free time watching hit reality TV shows or writing about it for ScreenRant. I'm rarely the kind of gal that cries during movies or books and I was sobbing. And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest true crime memoir of murder and loss chronicles a system's failure to prevent the death of a child. but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. They put their belongings in storage, rented out their house and moved to St. Johns, Newfoundland. And that always radiated through the house.. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Or what about the one of me and Andrew? MORRISON: Shirley also claimed to have been at home in Iowa, sick in bed the day of the murder. With Zachary strapped to her stomach with a sweater, she jumped into the Atlantic Ocean. and allowed to play Russian Roulette with her baby's and other people's lives is totally ludacris. Both of them were victims of murder. After the child was born the clearly mentally-ill mother wrecked havok on the grandparents lives. This hope is brutally extinguished when Shirley kills Zachary on one of her visitations. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. I would really like for you and Kate. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. And so he set out to collect the memories of Andrew's family and giant circle of friends. (Talking in group) This is not about money. I wouldn't say I enjoyed the story - There is no happy ending but it brings to light the serious issues surrounding the system. As the police searched for Turner and Zachary through the day on Aug. 18, Kate and David waited in their apartment with the Rev. There are so many questions raised:why was there no psychological profile done on Turner as she awaited trial?Why did child protection services not do their job and protect ( or even follow closely) Zachary? Then, even if the court orders extradition, Canadas federal justice minister must decide whether to hand over the fugitive to U.S. authorities. It doesnt go away.. Unidentified Woman #10: (Kate holding Zachary) Zachary. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. It gets a bit bogged down in legal tedium. After Andrew Bagby's death, Turner left Pennsylvania for Newfoundland, her home province, and gave birth to their son. In fact, Turner would travel frequently from Iowa to visit Andrew in Latrobe, something shed done the week before he was killed. Keith Morrison reports. One of the first to meet Zachary was, (Photo of Zachary Turner; wedding dance; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photo. The rest of the documentary details the fallout of this tragedy, including Kate and David's activism changed bail laws for suspects of dangerous crimes. For one thing, Shirley, required the Bagbys to bring Zachary to visit her once a week in jail. She was living with another nurse and her parents, who had also emigrated from England. Shirley kills Zachary and herself by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. The provincial court has tightened bail regulations, but has not eliminated bail for murder suspects. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. Authorities later determined his former lover Dr.. (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. It was time for the Bagbys to join Turner and baby Zachary on outings to the local pool. Kuenne said he's grateful that politicians championed a law that could save lives. Very, very serious. I wanted to read this book because I saw a snippet on MSNBC or one of those late night shows, (about the last 7-10 minutes of the show) that was actually the television version of what had taken place back in 2001. Tragic doesn't even come close to describing this case. David and Katehad been together for three years when they came on the show. The couple's long fight for legal changes in Canada ended Wednesday with a new law. "We had a complete meltdown," says David. The legal system helped her kill Zachary. Murder of Bagby: Shirley Jane Turner: First-degree murder ( died before standing trial) Zachary Andrew Turner (18 July 2002 - 18 August 2003) [2] : 78 was a boy from St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada, who was murdered by his mother, Shirley Jane Turner, in a murder-suicide. He interviewed old friends who recalled Andrew as a gregarious, well-loved soul who starred in Kuenne's earliest attempts at filmmaking. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. Sitting with Kate and David in the sunny house where they raised their son, its almost as if they can see those days right in front of their eyes. By Zacharys birthday in July 2003, Turners fight against extradition had suffered another blow. any problem at all with them spending time with him, unlike my mother, Mr. SHEARS: I guess I just thought, well, they're kind of accusing her of, murder. I had a son I used, (Photo of young Kate; photo of Kate and David; photo of Kate and Andrew), KATE: And then suddenly you're in the pits, and then you have to learn that, MORRISON: Two weeks after Zachary's murder, the press covered a, Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) We believe that the legal system helped her to, MORRISON: Charging the child protection authorities dropped the, ball, and that a disastrous bail system allowed a probable first-degree, (Zachary; court document; Shirley and Andrew). 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